Bottom set on a flopped straight board how do you play it?

 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:44 pm    Post subject: Bottom set on a flopped straight board how do you play it? Reply with quote

9 8 7..you flop a set of 7's.


Middle position player bets into you.


8 9 J

On each board 38 hands beat yours, obviously on the turn if it completes a straight we shut it down.

Middle position player bets into you... I say middle position player because more likely they will have a weaker 10q, 107, 56, 10j hand even a set hand.

Turns are blank do you like to check for pot control , safety in case of trapping with flopped straights higher sets or do you just like to value bet/take it down on turn after showing much strength on flop.

I know most donks here won't get off the hand if they reraise flop and villian shoves just curious what youd do on turn. I wont talk about "flat calling a bet here if bet into" because i will be labeled as a more on. I think at the best levels we can flat call flop and see a turn and debate whether we bet or if bet into. I feel that id like a bet if i flat called a bet on flop or was the one doing the betting otherwise if i 3 bet flop, i may like a check better for pot control/in case of trapping and/or to gain that extra bet on river when OPP thinks I was weak on flop. Yes i know we cant give a free card to 8 outs on river etc but this doesnt stop us from debating how you would play this type of hands.


Opinions on my stupid thread?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your thread is stupid.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably the toughest spot in poker...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assume if there is a middle position player betting into you, you are on the button or cutoff. I am raising 2/3 to pot on the flop. He shoves you have a decision to make. Even if he flopped nuts, which is very possible as lots of players play JT, your set has a decent chance of redrawing where his hand doesn't. I pretty much call his shove the majority of time.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UCM you're a more on.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HawaiianGrower wrote:
I assume if there is a middle position player betting into you, you are on the button or cutoff. I am raising 2/3 to pot on the flop. He shoves you have a decision to make. Even if he flopped nuts, which is very possible as lots of players play JT, your set has a decent chance of redrawing where his hand doesn't. I pretty much call his shove the majority of time.


I was hoping we could at least get to turn, I think at higher limits they would slowplay a straight but know that I think of it they would just shove. It was ran over at twoplustwo and its a ev- move to call flop shove, so i was assuming we were on turn and river.

Would it be more likely for a 5-10+ stakes player to slowplay a flopped straight and call the flop 3 bet, CRAI on turn. Or even middle set but then there I believe they would more likely get it in on flop then with a flopped straight. If they bet into us and we 3 bet , they 3 bet again...I think we have got to fold.Im assuming we are at like 150+bb deep in cash.

With over 100x bb a player would more then likely slowplay a flopped straight? Say we 3 bet he calls turn is a blank no question you would just shove? The chances of being outflopped on these hands are great.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SmokinDaCrak wrote:
UCM you're a more on.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fold bottom set, call with middle set and shove top set. It's not tricky.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

phlegmboy wrote:
Fold bottom set, call with middle set and shove top set. It's not tricky.



Wowzers what you run like 16%? Nice anaylisis.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how do 38 hands beat you? I count:

987

JT T6 56 88 99, thats 5...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's because this dumb fuck is counting all the unique combos of those hands.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SmokinDaCrak wrote:
it's because this dumb fuck is counting all the unique combos of those hands.

That's a solid LOL.


P.S. Jack, I notice a theme in these threads. You really seem to hate ucm. Even more than the typical forum hatreds. Why?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SmokinDaCrak wrote:
it's because this dumb fuck is counting all the unique combos of those hands.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Card Fish wrote:
SmokinDaCrak wrote:
it's because this dumb fuck is counting all the unique combos of those hands.

That's a solid LOL.


P.S. Jack, I notice a theme in these threads. You really seem to hate ucm. Even more than the typical forum hatreds. Why?


I don't hate him, I just can't stand his inane posts and nonsense poker logic. It stems from back at the old TB. Me and countless other posters tried to coach him, yet he continued to post myriads of these shitty ass HH's where he made the same mistakes over and over again, and demonstrated that he either fails or refuses to comprehend the advice which is freely given to him.

Also, he's a bigot. And he spams the forums.
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PS. Hi UCM. Love ya, mean it!
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