I will never play on Full TIlt again

Sane · Better than You Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 12797

I believe it's rigged and you cannot convince me otherwise.

Good day to you sir.

2dimes · babelfish Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 5447

You and Clonie Gowen both.

fluke · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:32 am Post subject:

Pokerstars is no better.

Can't tell you how many setup hands I've seen, and miracle one and two outers over the course of the last month and not just hands I'm playing.

I really should track it, but I'm too lazy. And I'm not complaining cause I've been on the good side of this riggedness from time to time, but its happening to much to convince me otherwise.

Thrasher · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:35 am Post subject:

Pretty hilarious that the whole rigged thing still lives on...

Suck it up, donks.

Skibo · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:01 pm Post subject:

live poker is rigged too.
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Sane · Better than You Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 12797

For more realistic reasoning, I'll be moving over to Bodog for the next few months for the main reasons of:

1) NFL sportsbetting season is soon upon us
2) Bodog general level of play is worse
3) While their software is dogshit, I like their MTT field sizes better. More midrange fields 300-500 which reduces a sliiiight bit of variance.

ir0nfist · Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 8744

fluke · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:57 pm Post subject:

LOL. I really ain't complaining about it being rigged. I'm up a fairly healthy amount since starting back to play the last 6 months. Just have seen some really, really questionable decisions get rewarded way more than the odds dictate they should. I'm not talking about making a move and getting caught, I'm just talking about some really bad call downs that find miracle runner runners

I am one of the few people here that was actually old enough to play poker regularly before the invention of online poker so I do have a point of reference.

Skibo · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:00 pm Post subject:

Um....Fluke, you seem to be forgetting that cards come in clusters
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fluke · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:28 pm Post subject:

LOL...on 4/5 hands I have watched

J4o take down 99 on a 678 board all in with two clubs where the 5c hit the turn and deuce of club hit the river allowing the 4 of clubs to take it with a flush.

Next hand a blind vs blind batter where 74o defends against AT, T hits flop, turn 7, river 4

Hand 4 AA gets taken down by 62o all in preflop (not making this up)

Hand 5 AA gets taken down by J9s all in preflop.

Nothing fishy going on here.

Chadmw · Soviet historian Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 3048

fluke · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:30 pm Post subject:

You deserved it.

Skibo · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:47 pm Post subject:

billythekid · Nonplussed Joined: 28 May 2007 Posts: 679

fluke · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:03 pm Post subject:

PokerStars Game #47261816743: Tournament #295118937, $15+$1 USD Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2010/07/25 15:55:36 CT [2010/07/25 16:55:36 ET]
Table '295118937 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: txhoneybear (1540 in chips)
Seat 2: momoznutz (1885 in chips)
Seat 3: jumarear (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: drapes23 (1250 in chips)
Seat 5: fdawk48 (1280 in chips)
Seat 6: lukeman1 (1160 in chips)
Seat 7: joeminor01 (1635 in chips)
Seat 8: sweetie2005 (1440 in chips)
Seat 9: rickat60 (1840 in chips)
rickat60: posts small blind 15
txhoneybear: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lukeman1 [2d 3d 5c Tc]
momoznutz: calls 30
jumarear: folds
drapes23: calls 30
fdawk48: calls 30
lukeman1: folds
joeminor01: folds
sweetie2005: folds
rickat60: calls 15
txhoneybear: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ts 4h Qc]
rickat60: checks
txhoneybear: checks
momoznutz: checks
drapes23: checks
fdawk48: bets 150
rickat60: raises 450 to 600
txhoneybear: folds
momoznutz: folds
drapes23: folds
fdawk48: raises 650 to 1250 and is all-in
rickat60: calls 650
*** TURN *** [Ts 4h Qc] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [Ts 4h Qc Ks] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rickat60: shows [7s Ad Qd 5s] (HI: a straight, Ten to Ace)
fdawk48: shows [As 6s 4d 4c] (HI: three of a kind, Fours)
rickat60 collected 2650 from pot
No low hand qualified
fdawk48 finished the tournament in 9th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2650 | Rake 0
Board [Ts 4h Qc Ks Jd]
Seat 1: txhoneybear (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: momoznutz folded on the Flop
Seat 3: jumarear folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: drapes23 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: fdawk48 showed [As 6s 4d 4c] and lost with HI: three of a kind, Fours
Seat 6: lukeman1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: joeminor01 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: sweetie2005 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: rickat60 (small blind) showed [7s Ad Qd 5s] and won (2650) with HI: a straight, Ten to Ace

After flop

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=7431441
pokenum -o8 ad qd 7s 5s - 4c 4d as 6s -- ts 4h qc
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing Ts Qc 4h
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
7s 5s Ad Qd 78 78 742 0 168 36 0 0.174
As 6s 4c 4d 613 742 78 0 45 84 0 0.826

After turn

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=7431442
pokenum -o8 ad qd 7s 5s - 4c 4d as 6s -- ts 4h qc ks
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 40 enumerated boards containing Ks Ts Qc 4h
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
7s 5s Ad Qd 3 3 37 0 0 0 0 0.075
As 6s 4c 4d 37 37 3 0 0 0 0 0.925

fluke · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:15 pm Post subject:

90% to win the high after the flop

Turn gives me 2-1 EV advantage.

Not normally a big deal if this wasn't 2nd all in hand after the previous HH.

PokerStars Game #47262406244: Tournament #295118937, $15+$1 USD Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2010/07/25 16:08:13 CT [2010/07/25 17:08:13 ET]
Table '295118937 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: txhoneybear (1145 in chips)
Seat 2: momoznutz (2275 in chips)
Seat 3: jumarear (1525 in chips)
Seat 6: lukeman1 (960 in chips)
Seat 7: joeminor01 (3395 in chips)
Seat 8: sweetie2005 (1165 in chips)
Seat 9: rickat60 (3035 in chips)
jumarear: posts small blind 75
lukeman1: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lukeman1 [As Kd Kc 6s]
joeminor01: folds
sweetie2005: folds
rickat60: folds
txhoneybear: folds
momoznutz: raises 300 to 450
jumarear: folds
lukeman1: raises 510 to 960 and is all-in
momoznutz: calls 510
*** FLOP *** [6c 3h 8h]
*** TURN *** [6c 3h 8h] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [6c 3h 8h 5d] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lukeman1: shows [As Kd Kc 6s] (HI: a pair of Kings; LO: 8,6,5,3,A)
momoznutz: shows [Ks 5c Js Ac] (HI: two pair, Jacks and Fives; LO: 8,6,5,3,A)
momoznutz collected 998 from pot
lukeman1 collected 499 from pot
momoznutz collected 498 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1995 | Rake 0
Board [6c 3h 8h 5d Jh]
Seat 1: txhoneybear folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: momoznutz (button) showed [Ks 5c Js Ac] and won (1496) with HI: two pair, Jacks and Fives; LO: 8,6,5,3,A
Seat 3: jumarear (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: lukeman1 (big blind) showed [As Kd Kc 6s] and won (499) with HI: a pair of Kings; LO: 8,6,5,3,A
Seat 7: joeminor01 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: sweetie2005 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: rickat60 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Skibo · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:23 pm Post subject:

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fluke · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:23 pm Post subject:

This was actually the first all in hand before mine, which had this been just PLO i would call, natually I would have won

PokerStars Game #47262253832: Tournament #295118937, $15+$1 USD Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2010/07/25 16:05:22 CT [2010/07/25 17:05:22 ET]
Table '295118937 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: txhoneybear (1095 in chips)
Seat 2: momoznutz (2425 in chips)
Seat 3: jumarear (1475 in chips)
Seat 4: drapes23 (1585 in chips)
Seat 6: lukeman1 (1060 in chips)
Seat 7: joeminor01 (1660 in chips)
Seat 8: sweetie2005 (1315 in chips)
Seat 9: rickat60 (2885 in chips)
drapes23: posts small blind 50
lukeman1: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lukeman1 [Ts 9d 8s Jd]
joeminor01: calls 100
sweetie2005: folds
rickat60: folds
txhoneybear: calls 100
momoznutz: folds
jumarear: folds
drapes23: raises 400 to 500
lukeman1: folds
joeminor01: raises 1160 to 1660 and is all-in
txhoneybear: folds
drapes23: calls 1085 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (75) returned to joeminor01
*** FLOP *** [Th 6c 6h]
*** TURN *** [Th 6c 6h] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [Th 6c 6h 7d] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
drapes23: shows [4s 3c Kc Ks] (HI: two pair, Kings and Sixes)
joeminor01: shows [7c Ac Td As] (HI: two pair, Aces and Sixes)
joeminor01 collected 3370 from pot
No low hand qualified
drapes23 finished the tournament in 8th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3370 | Rake 0
Board [Th 6c 6h 7d 9h]
Seat 1: txhoneybear folded before Flop
Seat 2: momoznutz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jumarear (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: drapes23 (small blind) showed [4s 3c Kc Ks] and lost with HI: two pair, Kings and Sixes
Seat 6: lukeman1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: joeminor01 showed [7c Ac Td As] and won (3370) with HI: two pair, Aces and Sixes
Seat 8: sweetie2005 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: rickat60 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=7431476
pokenum -mc 500000 -o8 ac 7c as td - - kc ks 3c 4s - - ts 8s 9d jd
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 500000 sampled boards
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
As Ac 7c Td 132725 193660 304206 2134 132021 71815 609 0.414
Ks 4s Kc 3c 88055 129632 370368 0 142279 39100 609 0.328
Ts 8s Jd 9d 81044 174574 323292 2134 0 0 0 0.257

fluke · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:24 pm Post subject:

3 all ins in 13 minutes in which the underdogs hand would have held everytime.

The prosecution rests.

I am taking this to the President.

Skibo · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:26 pm Post subject:

Get a black man to deliver it for you. This president hates white people
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fluke · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:40 pm Post subject:

Here's a dumb call for 3/4 of a stack with a bad hand instead of just shoving it in as a 3-2 dog. Its fast and furious.

PokerStars Game #47263622446: Tournament #295103784, $10+$1 USD Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2010/07/25 16:31:57 CT [2010/07/25 17:31:57 ET]
Table '295103784 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: tomyfee (1046 in chips)
Seat 3: Cream CoCo (2206 in chips)
Seat 4: joyceluck (1155 in chips)
Seat 6: tourplaya (2142 in chips)
Seat 7: uss abbot (1394 in chips)
Seat 8: modoc (2087 in chips)
Seat 9: lukeman1 (3470 in chips)
uss abbot: posts small blind 75
modoc: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lukeman1 [2h 4s 6h 8h]
lukeman1: folds
tomyfee: calls 150
Cream CoCo: folds
joyceluck: folds
tourplaya: raises 525 to 675
uss abbot: folds
modoc: folds
tomyfee: calls 525
*** FLOP *** [7d 7s Ac]
tomyfee: checks
tourplaya: bets 450
tomyfee: calls 371 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (79) returned to tourplaya
*** TURN *** [7d 7s Ac] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [7d 7s Ac Kh] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tomyfee: shows [4d 7h 5c 8d] (HI: three of a kind, Sevens; LO: 7,5,4,3,A)
tourplaya: shows [9h Ks 5d As] (HI: two pair, Aces and Kings)
tomyfee collected 1159 from pot
tomyfee collected 1158 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2317 | Rake 0
Board [7d 7s Ac Kh 3h]
Seat 1: tomyfee showed [4d 7h 5c 8d] and won (2317) with HI: three of a kind, Sevens; LO: 7,5,4,3,A
Seat 3: Cream CoCo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: joyceluck folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: tourplaya (button) showed [9h Ks 5d As] and lost with HI: two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 7: uss abbot (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: modoc (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: lukeman1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

fluke · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:08 pm Post subject:

86% to not get scooped after flop

I get scooped.

Yes I finished 4th.

PokerStars Game #47264862109: Tournament #295103784, $10+$1 USD Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2010/07/25 16:58:18 CT [2010/07/25 17:58:18 ET]
Table '295103784 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: tomyfee (309 in chips)
Seat 3: Cream CoCo (4422 in chips)
Seat 8: modoc (5549 in chips)
Seat 9: lukeman1 (3220 in chips)
Cream CoCo: posts small blind 150
modoc: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lukeman1 [4s 7d Ah 3s]
lukeman1: raises 600 to 900
tomyfee: calls 309 and is all-in
Cream CoCo: folds
modoc: folds
Uncalled bet (591) returned to lukeman1
*** FLOP *** [Js 3h 7h]
*** TURN *** [Js 3h 7h] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [Js 3h 7h Jh] [As]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lukeman1: shows [4s 7d Ah 3s] (HI: two pair, Aces and Jacks)
tomyfee: shows [2d 9c Ac Qs] (HI: two pair, Aces and Jacks - Queen kicker)
tomyfee collected 1068 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1068 | Rake 0
Board [Js 3h 7h Jh As]
Seat 1: tomyfee (button) showed [2d 9c Ac Qs] and won (1068) with HI: two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 3: Cream CoCo (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: modoc (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: lukeman1 showed [4s 7d Ah 3s] and lost with HI: two pair, Aces and Jacks

L.Washington · Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 2320

lol sample sizes.
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fluke · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:27 pm Post subject:

Skibo · Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:53 am Post subject:

Please add the tourney I played last night to the investigation. First 1.5 hours I did not win a hand. Of course after building a stack after the first break, AK vs K7 7 on the turn, 77 vs 66 66 on the flop. It got worse from there.
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